Did this one get under your skin? Seasons Greetings from Ferguson Did you see the shape his momma was in? When you can’t build you burn can you call that a sin? From an ivory tower I hear the critique about how they should respond “they should protest in peace” But to admonish don’t you already have to believe in a system that would intervene on behalf of a few not for a greedy machine?
Thank god it didn’t happen to me I can watch from by Black Friday discount TV So let’s carve up the bird and give thanks that they won’t come for us cause we paid for the tanks
I wonder as we’re all making our feast and we watch what they’ll do to the ones with the least is trusting cops like trusting a priest? you look to get saved but get fucked or get fleeced?
Seasons Greetings from Ferguson they’d do to you they’d do to me they do to us what they did to them
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Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 06.12.14 14:43
My first reaction was: "Wow, he nailed it." I think it's very powerful. It gave me goosebumps.
To one of the reactions on youtube he wrote: "It will be up for download in about 2 weeks. I'll post about it when that happens. We are working out how to get some of the money (when it goes up for sale) to the Ferguson Library." Good for him!
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Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 06.12.14 16:09
Seasons Greetings from Ferguson they’d do to you they’d do to me they do to us what they did to them
Having been in the public safety field for 17 years, I think I'll just say that I enjoyed the song but respectfully disagree with Dave's interpretation of the events in Ferguson.
Seasons Greetings from Ferguson they’d do to you they’d do to me they do to us what they did to them
Having been in the public safety field for 17 years, I think I'll just say that I enjoyed the song but respectfully disagree with Dave's interpretation of the events in Ferguson.
You´re not the only one. I read some very critical and biting comments on Dave´s facebook page. Well, he wrote a song about his feelings and one point of view. There is always another, different one when you´re not writing just meaningless lovesongs. I guess he has to deal with the critique now.
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Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 06.12.14 17:42
Susan wrote:
You´re not the only one. I read some very critical and biting comments on Dave´s facebook page. Well, he wrote a song about his feelings and one point of view. There is always another, different one when you´re not writing just meaningless lovesongs. I guess he has to deal with the critique now.
Don't get me wrong, I completely respect him for having the guts to write a song about such a controversial issue. This case is a big deal in the states and shortly after Ferguson, there was a case in New York where another white police officer was not indicted in the death of an unarmed black man. So two similar cases coming one right after another has resulted in a lot of mistrust of the police in America and protests all over the country.
It is absolutely a tragedy that these two individuals died but there is a great deal to these cases that goes unreported by the media or is "swung" in the direction that the news wants people to hear or believe.
Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 06.12.14 19:30
XNYCEMTP wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I completely respect him for having the guts to write a song about such a controversial issue. This case is a big deal in the states and shortly after Ferguson, there was a case in New York where another white police officer was not indicted in the death of an unarmed black man. So two similar cases coming one right after another has resulted in a lot of mistrust of the police in America and protests all over the country.
It´s in the news over here too, but not that much. To be honest I don´t know enough about this topic to have a basis for a qualified discussion. But I know one thing for sure: There must be justice.
XNYCEMTP wrote:
It is absolutely a tragedy that these two individuals died but there is a great deal to these cases that goes unreported by the media or is "swung" in the direction that the news wants people to hear or believe.
This reminds me of a brilliant Banksy tweet a few weeks ago:
Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 21.12.14 15:04
Live premiere yesterday in New Brunswick!
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Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 23.12.14 10:12
Before he played this song, he mentioned that this may be the only time he plays it live because it's the most appropriate time to play it (or something to that effect). He could of course change his mind down the road but I figured I'd mention it.
Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 23.12.14 11:22
StitchesOnTheRadio wrote:
Before he played this song, he mentioned that this may be the only time he plays it live because it's the most appropriate time to play it (or something to that effect). He could of course change his mind down the road but I figured I'd mention it.
Oh no! What a shame! This song is too good to be unplayed. I was so looking forward to hear it with a large crowd singing along...
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Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 23.12.14 16:29
Susan wrote:
StitchesOnTheRadio wrote:
Before he played this song, he mentioned that this may be the only time he plays it live because it's the most appropriate time to play it (or something to that effect). He could of course change his mind down the road but I figured I'd mention it.
Oh no! What a shame! This song is too good to be unplayed. I was so looking forward to hear it with a large crowd singing along...
Agreed, what a shame. And I also don't think he's right. Springsteen wrote a song 'American Skin (41 Shots)' after the police shot Amadou Diallo (this happened in 1999). There's still relevance to that song (unfortunately) and he still plays it in concert.
Let's hope he changes his mind about it. But first of all: let's hope he starts touring soon again
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Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 23.12.14 22:16
mti1974 wrote:
Susan wrote:
StitchesOnTheRadio wrote:
Before he played this song, he mentioned that this may be the only time he plays it live because it's the most appropriate time to play it (or something to that effect). He could of course change his mind down the road but I figured I'd mention it.
Oh no! What a shame! This song is too good to be unplayed. I was so looking forward to hear it with a large crowd singing along...
Agreed, what a shame. And I also don't think he's right. Springsteen wrote a song 'American Skin (41 Shots)' after the police shot Amadou Diallo (this happened in 1999). There's still relevance to that song (unfortunately) and he still plays it in concert.
Let's hope he changes his mind about it. But first of all: let's hope he starts touring soon again
Honestly, I'd feel really weird about it if a large crowd sang along to this song. Maybe because it's too real. People don't really sing along to American Skin (41 Shots) either in my experience and I think it's better that way.
But I agree, it'll still be relevant later, I think he was just saying it has the most significance right now.
Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 24.12.14 0:39
I can't see why it is weird to sing along to a protest/political song if I agree with the message. That's what those songs are written for. Get the lyrics, think about it and shout it out loud.
And the message doesn't get old. U2's Sunday Bloody Sunday is still relevant - 31 years after its release and 42 years after this bloody sunday in 1972.
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Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 25.12.14 12:13
Susan wrote:
I can't see why it is weird to sing along to a protest/political song if I agree with the message. That's what those songs are written for. Get the lyrics, think about it and shout it out loud.
And the message doesn't get old. U2's Sunday Bloody Sunday is still relevant - 31 years after its release and 42 years after this bloody sunday in 1972.
I totally agree. But: if people don't want to sing along, they don't. I happen to do sing along, especially to songs like American Skin (41 shots), Sunday bloody Sunday. But to each their own.
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Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 26.12.14 19:56
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Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 27.12.14 7:25
mti1974 wrote:
Susan wrote:
I can't see why it is weird to sing along to a protest/political song if I agree with the message. That's what those songs are written for. Get the lyrics, think about it and shout it out loud.
And the message doesn't get old. U2's Sunday Bloody Sunday is still relevant - 31 years after its release and 42 years after this bloody sunday in 1972.
I totally agree. But: if people don't want to sing along, they don't. I happen to do sing along, especially to songs like American Skin (41 shots), Sunday bloody Sunday. But to each their own.
I guess it depends on what type of singing along it is? This is all my personal opinion but it just feels weird to me unless it's like kind of a quieter singing along. You mentioning the whole crowd singing along kind of put a weird image in my head of hundreds of people almost joyfully singing along (not that they would be feeling joyful). I guess I also just personally either quietly mouth the words to songs like this or not at all, because it's kind of too real and specific and I'd rather stand in silent reflection on something that didn't happen to me, but was a very real thing that happened to a fellow human being, rather than singing along like this is my song too (which is how I feel when I sing along to songs that speak to my own experiences). I tried writing out an explanation of what I mean but I don't know how to do so without being misinterpreted. I guess that, while I do support most of what Dave speaks about in the song, singing along just feels weird to me.
If you wanna sing along to it, go for it. I do not judge anyone for that and I can understand why others would view that as the best way to support the ideas in the song. It's just my own personal feeling on the subject.
Subject: Re: New song: Seasons Greetings from Ferguson 29.12.14 0:28
StitchesOnTheRadio wrote:
mti1974 wrote:
Susan wrote:
I can't see why it is weird to sing along to a protest/political song if I agree with the message. That's what those songs are written for. Get the lyrics, think about it and shout it out loud.
And the message doesn't get old. U2's Sunday Bloody Sunday is still relevant - 31 years after its release and 42 years after this bloody sunday in 1972.
I totally agree. But: if people don't want to sing along, they don't. I happen to do sing along, especially to songs like American Skin (41 shots), Sunday bloody Sunday. But to each their own.
I guess it depends on what type of singing along it is? This is all my personal opinion but it just feels weird to me unless it's like kind of a quieter singing along. You mentioning the whole crowd singing along kind of put a weird image in my head of hundreds of people almost joyfully singing along (not that they would be feeling joyful). I guess I also just personally either quietly mouth the words to songs like this or not at all, because it's kind of too real and specific and I'd rather stand in silent reflection on something that didn't happen to me, but was a very real thing that happened to a fellow human being, rather than singing along like this is my song too (which is how I feel when I sing along to songs that speak to my own experiences). I tried writing out an explanation of what I mean but I don't know how to do so without being misinterpreted. I guess that, while I do support most of what Dave speaks about in the song, singing along just feels weird to me.
If you wanna sing along to it, go for it. I do not judge anyone for that and I can understand why others would view that as the best way to support the ideas in the song. It's just my own personal feeling on the subject.
We are all different. And we are all equal. This is excatly what it´s all about!